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Juin
2010-03-02 16:03:31
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_A_Frozen_Flower.php#jsid-1267545810-846
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This love story could have been convincingly beautiful if it were written realistically and without excessive sexual scenes between Hong-rim and the queen. Yeah, sex sells if it were not over done! It's almost like a cheap pron if it were without the noble king.
Perhaps, the plot is written by a straight man, who has little clue about gay men, who don't change their sexual orientations because of beautiful women!
Give me a break!
Eros
2009-11-12 12:07:10
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_A_Frozen_Flower.php#jsid-1258027630-111
I thought it was fairly clear that Hong-lim loved the king more.
1) Why else would the film end with the fulfilment of the king's dream of them hunting together? Also, there are differences between the king's initial depiction of the dream, the second picture he paints of it and the concluding sequence. When the king paints the picture he asks if it can be improved and Hong-lim requests that he have a bow too. The second picture the king paints features Hong-lim dressed in red (a colour he is given to wear by the king and wears as one of the king's men, when they are not dressed in purple) with a bow. The final sequence shows Hong-lim with a bow wearing black and white. The only reason for the change would be if Hong-lim were responsible for modifying the 'dream' (now the afterlife), showing where his affections actually lie and that they are not purely the result of duty. (That is unless there is sone colour symbolism that I am missing out on as a non-Korean?)
2) As Hong-lim dies he doesn't look after the queen (following her departure and straining to hear her voice calling his name as she is dragged away - which would indicate a strong emotional attachment and desire) but instead turns with considerable effort to look at the king (why would anyone want their last sight to be of someone they never have and do not love?).
3) The exchange of "Did you love me even once?" "Not even once" is ambiguous because the "did" of the question indicates a completed action in the past (i.e. a love that no longer exists in the present) so the answer could indicate that he has always loved and still loves the king (I realise that I may be missing some subtleties because I'm using the English translation on which to base my answer). We need to bear in mind that Hong-lim's statement is made at a time when he clearly wants to hurt the king both physically and emotionally and the reply given is clearly the one that would hurt him the most. This technique of having a character not tell the complete truth in order to hurt is one that is familiar to me from a Greek tragedy.
I was really sad that EVERYONE was put into an impossible position as a result of acts taken for political ends: ends that take no account of people's emotions.
To me Hong-lim appears to be: a) confused, b) loves two people to different extents, c) bi-sexual.
Bita
2009-05-05 20:50:39
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_A_Frozen_Flower.php#jsid-1241556639-10
After watching this movie, i felt very sad. I never had imagine that it would turn out in the end that Hong Lim never once love the king, It seemed that the only one truly in love was the king, for a gay to ask his secret lover to have sex with his wife is unimaginalbe, the real shock. I have feeling that Hong Lim is never gay. He slept with the king because of his duty and he has been sexually enslaved by the King instead of being biologically gay and I think he was confused about his sexuality before the queen. The queen, she just wanted sex because the film didn't portray the love between Hong lim and Queen very well.
Eros
2009-11-12 12:08:08
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_A_Frozen_Flower.php#jsid-1258027687-984
I thought it was fairly clear that Hong-lim loved the king more.
1) Why else would the film end with the fulfilment of the king's dream of them hunting together? Also, there are differences between the king's initial depiction of the dream, the second picture he paints of it and the concluding sequence. When the king paints the picture he asks if it can be improved and Hong-lim requests that he have a bow too. The second picture the king paints features Hong-lim dressed in red (a colour he is given to wear by the king and wears as one of the king's men, when they are not dressed in purple) with a bow. The final sequence shows Hong-lim with a bow wearing black and white. The only reason for the change would be if Hong-lim were responsible for modifying the 'dream' (now the afterlife), showing where his affections actually lie and that they are not purely the result of duty. (That is unless there is sone colour symbolism that I am missing out on as a non-Korean?)
2) As Hong-lim dies he doesn't look after the queen (following her departure and straining to hear her voice calling his name as she is dragged away - which would indicate a strong emotional attachment and desire) but instead turns with considerable effort to look at the king (why would anyone want their last sight to be of someone they never have and do not love?).
3) The exchange of "Did you love me even once?" "Not even once" is ambiguous because the "did" of the question indicates a completed action in the past (i.e. a love that no longer exists in the present) so the answer could indicate that he has always loved and still loves the king (I realise that I may be missing some subtleties because I'm using the English translation on which to base my answer). We need to bear in mind that Hong-lim's statement is made at a time when he clearly wants to hurt the king both physically and emotionally and the reply given is clearly the one that would hurt him the most. This technique of having a character not tell the complete truth in order to hurt is one that is familiar to me from a Greek tragedy.
I was really sad that EVERYONE was put into an impossible position as a result of acts taken for political ends: ends that take no account of people's emotions.
To me Hong-lim appears to be: a) confused, b) loves two people to different extents, c) bi-sexual.
Eros
2009-11-12 12:08:30
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_A_Frozen_Flower.php#jsid-1258027710-356
I thought it was fairly clear that Hong-lim loved the king more.
1) Why else would the film end with the fulfilment of the king's dream of them hunting together? Also, there are differences between the king's initial depiction of the dream, the second picture he paints of it and the concluding sequence. When the king paints the picture he asks if it can be improved and Hong-lim requests that he have a bow too. The second picture the king paints features Hong-lim dressed in red (a colour he is given to wear by the king and wears as one of the king's men, when they are not dressed in purple) with a bow. The final sequence shows Hong-lim with a bow wearing black and white. The only reason for the change would be if Hong-lim were responsible for modifying the 'dream' (now the afterlife), showing where his affections actually lie and that they are not purely the result of duty. (That is unless there is sone colour symbolism that I am missing out on as a non-Korean?)
2) As Hong-lim dies he doesn't look after the queen (following her departure and straining to hear her voice calling his name as she is dragged away - which would indicate a strong emotional attachment and desire) but instead turns with considerable effort to look at the king (why would anyone want their last sight to be of someone they never have and do not love?).
3) The exchange of "Did you love me even once?" "Not even once" is ambiguous because the "did" of the question indicates a completed action in the past (i.e. a love that no longer exists in the present) so the answer could indicate that he has always loved and still loves the king (I realise that I may be missing some subtleties because I'm using the English translation on which to base my answer). We need to bear in mind that Hong-lim's statement is made at a time when he clearly wants to hurt the king both physically and emotionally and the reply given is clearly the one that would hurt him the most. This technique of having a character not tell the complete truth in order to hurt is one that is familiar to me from a Greek tragedy.
I was really sad that EVERYONE was put into an impossible position as a result of acts taken for political ends: ends that take no account of people's emotions.
To me Hong-lim appears to be: a) confused, b) loves two people to different extents, c) bi-sexual.